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It's been a good year for
the Rev. J.I. Packer, one of the world's best-known
theologians. In March, the Anglican priest and Regent
College professor won Bible of the Year and Book of the
Year honors for editing the English Standard Version
Study Bible. He also released two of his own books --
"Praying: Finding Our Way Through Duty to Delight" and a
year-long devotional using his seminal work, "Knowing
God."
Packer, listed as one of Time magazine's "25 Most
Influential Evangelicals in America" in 2005, sat down
with the Bee of Modesto, Calif., at the Christian Book
Expo in Dallas this year to talk on a wide range of
subjects, from growing up in England to C.S. Lewis's
impact on his life to becoming embroiled in the
Anglican/Episcopal dispute. Here's what he had to say:
Q: When you were a young lad in England, what did you
think you would be when you grew up?
A: A teacher. Not because I knew anything about the
various professional possibilities, but because my
mother had been a teacher and a very good one. I know
now that if I'd been properly assessed in terms of
potential -- none of that was done in the 1930s and the
early 1940s -- I'm sure I should have been a lawyer. . .
. But at age 18, I became a believer, and the Lord said
something different that I had never thought about
before.
Q: What did you hear?
A: I was doing the Oxford general degree, just a
four-year affair with an emphasis on the classics, Latin
and Greek, language, culture, literature, so on. And I
came to realize that I wouldn't get job satisfaction
from any life activity except shepherding the Lord's
people and holding out the Gospel in the hope of seeing
more people coming to faith and enlarging the flock.
That is how it came to me: "Shepherd, shepherd, look
after the flock."
Q: Was C.S. Lewis at Oxford at the time, and did he
influence your faith?
A: Yes. The books of C.S. Lewis had a very profound,
indirect effect on me. Lewis, of course, was a
Catholic-Anglican rather than an evangelical, but he
erected around me all the scaffolding of orthodox
Christianity, in terms of which I was opened to the
authentic Gospel. His writings still help me. He was
certainly the 20th century's number one apologist. The
older I get, the more I appreciate his real genius in
Christian insight and communication.
Q: You're such a prolific writer yourself, but you're
probably best known for one book, "Knowing God," first
published in 1973. Why do you think that particular book
has been such a big seller?
A: It rang a bell because it covered ground and did a
job that many people felt needed to be done but that
nobody was attempting at that stage. What was happening
was that in evangelical circles, all the emphasis was
being laid on personal experience and devotion in the
sense in which husbands and wives are devoted to each
other. There was not a great deal of intellectual effort
going along with it. What I did in "Knowing God" is to
write a series of practical articles intended to lead
the reader to faith.
Q: On a radio program, you explained why different
Bible translations have different endings to the Gospel
of Mark. How does this jibe with the inerrancy of God's
word?
A: The inerrancy of Scripture applies to the material as
prepared for publication. I'm saying that quite
deliberately because I want to allow the editor in. In
some Old Testament books, it's very evident that an
editor has been at work. That's quite all right. It's
part of the process.
Q: But some people believe that every word written and
every "i'' dotted came strictly from the hand of God to
the author. At the other extreme, atheists and liberal
Christians say, "No one knows what's true in the Bible
because it's been changed so much." How do you see this?
A: I'm saying that an editorial process that is
preparing the material for publication counts as part of
the inspiring process whereby God, in his sovereignty,
gave every word. Some people ask for trouble by not
allowing for the reality of editorial processes. The
editorial process is very important for preparing the
work for public consumption. It's part of the inspired
process.
Q: Recent surveys show that spirituality is on the rise
but that Christianity is decreasing or stagnant. Why do
you think that is?
A: Non-Christian forms of spirituality have had such a
massive run for their money in the last half-century.
It's not just the spirituality of major religions, but
spirituality of all sorts of complexes and variations on
particular aspects of inner life that particular
teachers have come up with. Christianity has stayed
stable, as it must do. The doctrines don't change. The
understanding of what it means to walk with God doesn't
change. The reality of worship doesn't change, not at
heart, anyway. So Christianity appears to be stuck.
I think that the number of lively evangelical Christians
in North America is, in fact, increasing. I think that
if overall statistics show that churches are losing
ground, it's because the deadwood is dropping off the
branches. Amongst younger people, there is a very great
deal of evangelical Christianity. It's not always deep,
but it's there.
Having said all of that, there's a great divide between
all the spiritualities of the world and Christian
spirituality because Christian spirituality is at every
point a relation to the triune God of the Bible. Secular
spirituality isn't focused on God, if God even comes
into it, but on me and my fulfillment. My
self-discovery. My inner peace. The more you look at
that gap, the wider it gets. It's the difference between
self-centeredness and God-centeredness. It's unhelpful,
actually, that both sorts of concern are called
spirituality.
Q: In the United States, there's a great split between
the Episcopal Church and evangelical Anglicans. This has
led to the national church suing departing dioceses and
parishes over their property. What about your parish in
Canada, which has also left the national denomination?
A: The first thing to say about our parish [St. John's
in Vancouver] is that it is the largest and liveliest
parish in the Canadian Episcopal Church, called the
Anglican Church in Canada. And our property, all of
which we use at the moment, is worth something like $15
million, perhaps rising. Of course they want it back. In
court, what we will argue is that property that was
built, land acquired, buildings put up and maintained
ever since 1926, without the diocese contributing a
penny to any of that, that equipment is held by trustees
for the benefit of the users, rather than held by
trustees for the benefit of the diocese. This has never
been settled by law in Canada. There's no canon in the
Canadian church, as in the States, declaring that the
diocese owns all church properties in all church
parishes. So the claim has to be decided.
I'm glad to say the congregation -- betwee 800 and 1,000
attend regularly on the Lord's day -- knows we may lose
the property. We're prepared to lose the property rather
than losing the Gospel.
Q: You've been a priest and a biblical scholar for
decades. What keeps your faith fresh?
A: I suppose the fact that I know God, the Father, the
Son and the Holy Spirit, and God remains alive. That is
testified to in Scripture, and it comes through when I
read the Bible. Understood in that way, it's reading the
Bible that keeps me fresh. The living God keeps coming
through in all sorts of ways. You're always in process
of seeing things that you never saw before.
(Courtesy: McClatchy Newspapers)
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